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PostSubject: Newbie to the peugeot world   Sun Sep 15, 2013 1:43 pm

Hi fellow mate out there..
Kevin here.. Was looking at a resale peugeot 407, also dealed.. Was still considering should I bite the bullet and take it. It is my 1st ride though..

Guys, any advice from you to get a resale peugeot?
Mileage = 150k up
8.5yr old car

What thing I need to check? Should I send it to do a STA check?
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:01 pm

it would be better to get the registration no. and check with Auto France first on any history and records they may have, before deciding.
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:10 pm

[quote="Perseus76"]it would be better to get the registration no. and check with Auto France first on any history and records they may have, before deciding.

Ok. But for a peugeot more than 150k mileage, safe to take?
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:18 pm

Hi Charvin,

Firstly the selling price should be scrap value + $3K to $4K for a 8.5 year old French car.

150,000km of genuine mileage is not really an issue because most 8.5 year old cars have exceeded 200,000kms genuinely.

Do a long test drive and make sure aircon is cold, not just cool. Engine water temp must be 90C and not overheating at 3/4 mark. That spells trouble.

Hope it helps. Very Happy 
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Sun Sep 15, 2013 2:42 pm

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Hi Charvin,

Firstly the selling price should be scrap value + $3K to $4K for a 8.5 year old French car.

150,000km of genuine mileage is not really an issue because most 8.5 year old cars have exceeded 200,000kms genuinely.

Do a long test drive and make sure aircon is cold, not just cool.  Engine water temp must be 90C and not overheating at 3/4 mark.  That spells trouble.

Hope it helps. Very Happy 
I just done the test drive this afternoon, it was raining though.. Air con is cold... My gf siting at the back close the back aircon.. But I miss seeing the engine water temp.. I shall do that again when I am trying again

I am looking at this 3 choices. Got a quote at 24.3k + 0.6k admin charges
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168,000 km mileage

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100k km mileage. Got a quote for them at 27k. Inclusive admin charge

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110,000 km mileage

The 1st choice I test drive.. I almost deal.. Coz the handling really good compared to the altis, civic, vios, jazz (all 2005 model), and acceleration quite good as well.. Of course I am comparing a higher cc car compared to 1.5l and 1.6l

I heard some of the pug owner saying 407 got this gearbox problem.. How much will be the cost of changing the gearbox? How much u guys do your normal servicing? How many km usually do you do ya servicing?

If I can drive till scrap.. It will be worth it..


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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:18 pm

Take the 168K car. The rest of the other units, mileage isn't genuine either.

Offer dealer $24K net, no admin fee....it is a gimmick to up price indirectly.

Gearbox is usually 4K but at this age, don't repair. Scrap the car if unfortunate.
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:44 pm

Never pay admin fee.

Admin Fee is just them asking you for money to offset their night pub bills.

Hehe.

If they insist? threaten to walk away. With the economic brewing up n down. everyone is making every opportunity counts.
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:50 pm

Alright. I am in favor of the black ride also. hope I am lucky enough to survive through the 1.5yr.. Poisoned by Peugeot cars already..
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Sun Sep 15, 2013 3:56 pm

By the way, how to check the record of the Pug from autofrance? They will tell us the svc record?
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:00 pm

These cars at 8.5 years old probably had not gone back for agent service since the 5th year. You can however give a shot at Auto France.
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Sun Sep 15, 2013 4:59 pm

i believe the black one, even at 23k the dealer would let off and nv give admin fees, it suppose to be included in the price. just give autofrance a call and ask them for a service record, just tell them that you're buying a 2nd hand car and would like to enquire about the car. they will only tell you when was the last servicing done at AF.

However, do take note that your license plate no. might not tally with AF if the previous owners has retain the plate. so you might want to give maybe engine no. or chassis no.


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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Sun Sep 15, 2013 5:50 pm

extr3mus wrote:
i believe the black one, even at 23k the dealer would let off and nv give admin fees, it suppose to be included in the price. just give autofrance a call and ask them for a service record, just tell them that you're buying a 2nd hand car and would like to enquire about the car. they will only tell you when was the last servicing done at AF.

However, do take note that your license plate no. might not tally with AF if the previous owners has retain the plate. so you might want to give maybe engine no. or chassis no.


And, welcome to the den Twisted Evil 
Ok. If auto France dun have the record after 5yrs.. U think bringing it to STA will be able to detect any problem like gearbox, engine problem, or engine oil leaking issue? If yes, the $120+ STA charges is worth to give
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:05 pm

i'm not sure about STA inspection but i think somehow they can't really detect underlying issues.

probably, check the chassis for any rust (probably accident before), any unusual driving symptoms. test drive the car, on aircon big big, try to rev the car, off the audio to hear if got any unusual sound. play around with the tiptronic.


from what i know, 407 has the least problem with its electronics..


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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Sun Sep 15, 2013 6:10 pm

Sta or whatever won't tell you if your gearbox will break down in the next few months or so.
I got my car to whatever inspection and then found out that the axle was hit(not reflected in the report)

Report is a thing, i think experience play a bit part while determining a used vehicle and for that, i leave it to the old birds to explain.

You can even 'divert' the STA charges onto the dealer tab. it just depend on how you twirl the game bro.

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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:58 am

Warm wlecome to you bro! hi 
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Mon Sep 16, 2013 3:58 am

Poison is dripping Laughing 

A inspection by Thomas and Partner may be more worth it. He can tell you what needs attention at the moment. Thomas is a old mechanic with vast experience on French cars, AMK autopoint #03-03. He charges $50 for a look see (just like doctor consultation).

But he is no god, so he cannot predict what will spoil in the future.

I think that is fair enough.
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Mon Sep 16, 2013 2:20 pm

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Poison is dripping Laughing 

A inspection by Thomas and Partner may be more worth it. He can tell you what needs attention at the moment. Thomas is a old mechanic with vast experience on French cars, AMK autopoint #03-03.  He charges $50 for a look see (just like doctor consultation).

But he is no god, so he cannot predict what will spoil in the future.

I think that is fair enough.
Is he able to tell like what part due for change soon? And whether the mileage has been played with?
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Mon Sep 16, 2013 5:29 pm

Hi,

Prediction no, only can tell you what is broken right there and then. He is an old hand in this car, so he know where to look for worn out parts.

Mileage being played is a norm nowadays. For him to comment on his peers, he won't do it because it is a slander if he cannot have material proof. But we all know deep inside.
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Wed Sep 18, 2013 5:30 am

The health-check @ Thomas is not bullet-proof. Thomas drives a 407 himself and could possibly better light on the necessary change(s) for your ride.

Enjoy your ride.
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:00 pm

My Peugeot deal got hijacked by other. Just saw a black 407 with 71,000km. Service with autofrance since day1. Last service at 60,000km..
Guys, I need your help again.
I heard my frenz talk about timing belt change will cost alot.. U guys have ideas how many km then need to/usually change? What major thing I need to look out?
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:10 pm

Dont have to change timing belt.
something i learn along the way.
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Thu Oct 03, 2013 5:30 pm

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Dont have to change timing belt.
something i learn along the way.
Huh...Why you say so? Can share?

I can quoted from AutoFrance for the servicing

Minor Servicing = $307 w/o GST (Every 10,000km or 6mth whichever come 1st)
Major Servicing = $402 w/o GST (Every 20,000km or 1 year whichever come 1st)

Do alternate servcing

Today my French boss was saying it was all bullshit... he did his car only at every 30,000km only back in France.
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Thu Oct 03, 2013 6:59 pm

Well, road condition , weather etc from other country i believe plays a part in the daily 'upbringing' of the vehicle so can't really compare the maintenance between two different countries. Another example is we cruise at city with constant braking while some actually drive it for long distance everyday .

I've just change my timing belt at around 105k, the belt look totally new without any fray at the sides or parts of the belt.

During the process of changing the belt, a simple mistake while aligning the tooth can cause many other issues, petrol consumption etc...

That being said, your the one driving, do what that would make you comfortable .

I believe wear and tear start kicking in at 5 years interval , so be prepare to change parts like cooling coil, compressor , heater coil, etc ( i think the most common issue) .

Don't even flush anything. you be surprise how lasting those spark plug is too .

to quote one sentence i learn and remember till today, do not touch anything that is not broken.



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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:26 am

The recommended change interval is 80K, which I thought a spending of hundreds of bucks to change the belt is worthwhile spending over an overhaul of thousand(s) should the timing belt snap.

Regularity of maintenance is a preventive and certainly do not insure fully against car mechanical mishaps.

In this part of the world we live in, weather conditions differ from France, hence maintenance pattern differ.
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PostSubject: Re: Newbie to the peugeot world   Fri Oct 04, 2013 3:46 am

The black one is very expensive, depreciation almost $8K a year and from what I heard, 407 2.2L are less troublesome to maintian. The road tax and FC is not much of a difference.

Take a look at this one: Sept 07 407 2.2L and depreciates at $7.5K a year. Newer and cheaper.

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Can take a look and test drive before you decide.

As for the timing belt change, there is a inspection cover to see the condition of the belt. If it looks cracky or frayed, then it is time to change. Otherwise , leave it alone because in car repairs, you make good of one thing but in the process of doing so, the mechanic can damage other components. We are all humans and we make mistakes.
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