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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:48 am

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Hi Ventus,

Noted all your points. Honda Ody (current price $190k ?) is a much bigger MPV and I think you should have known when you test drove 5008 (currently $140k?) which is equivalent to Stream/Toyota Wish class. The price already tells the story. But this 1.6THP give you more low torque than 2.4 Ody.

As to the Peugeot quality, it is a matter of expectation Jap vs Euro. You are comparing the no 2 car maker of Japan vs the no.2 or No 3 of Western Europe car maker (from buttom up). If you were to refer to JD power for reliability most Japanese brands are in top 10. The bottom 10 is French and Italian makes.

Japanese cars are very practical cars meant for City driving with good Glove compartment size, door pockets, nice Aircon, Cup holders.....

European cars are more for out of city driving, country side hilly roads for the French home ground. They don't need Aircon most of the time and do not encourage drinking and food consumption in the car. Most German top brands do not have cup holders too.

Japanese car aircon setting is 25C to get nice cool air. In Conti cars you need to set 22C to 19C to get nice cool air depending on which brand of car.

Your complain about wind noise, that is really un-acceptable. I think you should get AF to see to it.

Mindset have to change when changing from Japanese to European cars. So is expectations. If your annual mileage is not high, you will enjoy European cars. If you stick on to European cars for 3 years, you probably won't go back to Japanese.

I am not defending Peugeot in any way. Just a fair observation as this is my 1st Peugeot Very Happy


well said bro. is the mindset. i start to love it now
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:58 am

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If original reverse sensor, I think some graphics will show on the radio screen when "R" is selected. That's what I see in my 508.

From the way you mention about loud beep, it is likely to be aftermarket stuff.

haha 5008 is still using the old head unit.. dont think it will display on the head unit
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 10:59 am

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Oh..I probably have a very different reason to try a Peugeot 508.

Back in 2003, I had gotten a used Citroen C5 2L auto, just 2 year old with 44,000km on the odo. I own it for 10 months and it was a nightmare. I swear never to touch a French car.

But then one of my good SE came to join AF. So I support him since he was new. Then why 508 ?

Firstly I have no interest in MPV or SUV due to their handling and performance. So it would be either 308 or 508. After studying their chassis and engine/transmission, I thought 508 has a newer chassis and also a totally new model. The price and a test drive won me over.

I also wanted a Sedan with good rear leg room and a brand that is not too loud and at the same time respectable. Price wise, it is cheaper than a Camry or Accord.

The funny thing is whenever I visit my regular mechanic/tyre shop and spray paint shop, the first question they ask me will be " Why you buy this car?".

The next thing they will say is " You will regret after 3 years !" Surprised

haha before the 508 what was your ride?
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 12:54 pm

Blue850r wrote:
Hi Ventus,

Noted all your points. Honda Ody (current price $190k ?) is a much bigger MPV and I think you should have known when you test drove 5008 (currently $140k?) which is equivalent to Stream/Toyota Wish class. The price already tells the story. But this 1.6THP give you more low torque than 2.4 Ody.

As to the Peugeot quality, it is a matter of expectation Jap vs Euro. You are comparing the no 2 car maker of Japan vs the no.2 or No 3 of Western Europe car maker (from buttom up). If you were to refer to JD power for reliability most Japanese brands are in top 10. The bottom 10 is French and Italian makes.

Japanese cars are very practical cars meant for City driving with good Glove compartment size, door pockets, nice Aircon, Cup holders.....

European cars are more for out of city driving, country side hilly roads for the French home ground. They don't need Aircon most of the time and do not encourage drinking and food consumption in the car. Most German top brands do not have cup holders too.

Japanese car aircon setting is 25C to get nice cool air. In Conti cars you need to set 22C to 19C to get nice cool air depending on which brand of car.

Your complain about wind noise, that is really un-acceptable. I think you should get AF to see to it.

Mindset have to change when changing from Japanese to European cars. So is expectations. If your annual mileage is not high, you will enjoy European cars. If you stick on to European cars for 3 years, you probably won't go back to Japanese.

I am not defending Peugeot in any way. Just a fair observation as this is my 1st Peugeot Very Happy


My exact sentiment, is the mind set, when I decided to get a conti and forgo the asian, I am prepared to face all the 'music'... Laughing like I mention in some of my posts, it's the power I am going after, in which, I can't find any asian made car which can provide me with similar power at the same price, if not lower. To give a 275nm torque, it has to be at least a 2.5L NA engine car, which is not wallet friendly to me thdown

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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:46 pm

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Blue850r wrote:
If original reverse sensor, I think some graphics will show on the radio screen when "R" is selected. That's what I see in my 508.

From the way you mention about loud beep, it is likely to be aftermarket stuff.

haha 5008 is still using the old head unit.. dont think it will display on the head unit

Ya I believe is local factory fitted. Wonder other 5008 do face this loud reverse sound. Just now was sitting at the centre row after the loud beep my ear can hear the Eeeeeee sound. U can imagine how loud it is furious
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 2:12 pm

stormshadow wrote:
B772ER wrote:
Blue850r wrote:
If original reverse sensor, I think some graphics will show on the radio screen when "R" is selected. That's what I see in my 508.

From the way you mention about loud beep, it is likely to be aftermarket stuff.

haha 5008 is still using the old head unit.. dont think it will display on the head unit

Ya I believe is local factory fitted. Wonder other 5008 do face this loud reverse sound. Just now was sitting at the centre row after the loud beep my ear can hear the Eeeeeee sound. U can imagine how loud it is furious

Why don't u check with your SE if the volume can be adjusted, if can then drive down to AF to get it tune.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:39 pm

Still waiting for feedback from SE. She mention probably would have to face the spk downwards. She say a couple have face the same loudness crisis too so am not the only one. w
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:56 pm

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Blue850r wrote:
Oh..I probably have a very different reason to try a Peugeot 508.

Back in 2003, I had gotten a used Citroen C5 2L auto, just 2 year old with 44,000km on the odo. I own it for 10 months and it was a nightmare. I swear never to touch a French car.

But then one of my good SE came to join AF. So I support him since he was new. Then why 508 ?

Firstly I have no interest in MPV or SUV due to their handling and performance. So it would be either 308 or 508. After studying their chassis and engine/transmission, I thought 508 has a newer chassis and also a totally new model. The price and a test drive won me over.

I also wanted a Sedan with good rear leg room and a brand that is not too loud and at the same time respectable. Price wise, it is cheaper than a Camry or Accord.

The funny thing is whenever I visit my regular mechanic/tyre shop and spray paint shop, the first question they ask me will be " Why you buy this car?".

The next thing they will say is " You will regret after 3 years !" Surprised

haha before the 508 what was your ride?

Oh after the 508 came in, I sold away Colt Plus turbo. It is like playing Majong. Better car came in, the not so good car goes away. Laughing

But it did took me 4 months to decide because the colt plus has very huge boot being hatchback. Meanwhile I have a Fiat Stilo for 5 years now. So I know what is Italian fashion too as well as French flair Laughing
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:03 pm

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Still waiting for feedback from SE. She mention probably would have to face the spk downwards. She say a couple have face the same loudness crisis too so am not the only one. w

Thats easy to solve. But how could factory install some speaker upwards and some downwards (for those not so loud ones)
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:10 am

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stormshadow wrote:
Still waiting for feedback from SE. She mention probably would have to face the spk downwards. She say a couple have face the same loudness crisis too so am not the only one. w

Thats easy to solve. But how could factory install some speaker upwards and some downwards (for those not so loud ones)

dunno man... hope they can soften the sound soon.. am still trying to locate the sound.. wondering is it easier to DIY.. dont mind taping it myself actually
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:17 am

DIY could be faster. AF will take their own sweet time, then say cannot do or got to charge $$$....They very money face. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Fri Sep 07, 2012 9:28 am

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DIY could be faster. AF will take their own sweet time, then say cannot do or got to charge $$$....They very money face. Sad

will go search high and low this tomolo see can do anthing about it...

AF should provide ear plug man Razz
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Fri Sep 07, 2012 6:17 pm

Noted all the points. From mindset to reality.

Wokay here's my main issues with my 5008....Wind noise and internal squeking sounds...we can still live with the rest of the issues (even if we still find them irritating)...

Be it French or japs, full or mid-size mpv, there must be a standard to uphold. For my wife and I, wind noise fr the window, at speeds starting from 85km/h and squeks in the car from the seats is sub standard of a conti...

I bought my ODC @ $99K (New) in Oct 2007 (lwith $10K + COE - I think).
I bought my 5008 (New) @ $150K ++ with $60K + COE.

Had my ODC for close to 5 yrs with no QUALITY issues...
Had my 5008 for less than a month, wind noise and squeks all around...

So tell me is this mindset or reality...Haiz...

Sorry lah peeps...no offence to anyone but I just hv to air it out...Hope some kakis can provide us with solutions so that I can enjoy my ride...coz I've sentt to AF and IT'S NOT HELPING @ ALL!!!!
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:08 am

Hey Bro..good to hear from you again, alive and kicking. Tot our explaination about French got you into partial coma Laughing

I can see very clearly from your angle. Anyone who comes from Toyota or Honda before will have great expectation. Japanese cars are reliable simply becos they are simple in design, not much features. I believe ODC has some common problems like power steering leak and starter motor not lasting ($800 for replacement: not cheap). If Jap cars are full of features and technology, like Nissan GTR, it is not so reliable anymore.

If you had a Mitsubishi Grandis before, then expectation not so high Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:28 am

Ok since I started this thread for asking why we ended up getting a Peugeot instead of other brand, we shall stick to the topic.

For bro Ventus, my suggest to you is, make an appointment with AF again, get their senior technician to go test drive with you, highlight those sound you hear to them when test driving, allow them to drive down to expressway so to experience the wind noise, after that, leave the car to them for a couple of day to get it rectify, spotting sound is a tough job from experience, a lot of test run needed.

For bro Stompshadow, your loud reverse sensor sound is easier to solve, either you tape the sound source or I am sure then can tune the volume down.

So now, let's stick to topic, let's here from the rest why then ended up buying a Peugeot
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Sat Sep 08, 2012 3:48 am

OK lets stick along again.

In one simple statement, itchy backside la just want to try a brand that I never had before. crazy (Thats what my wife says Smile )
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Sun Sep 09, 2012 2:59 am

Even Japanese gives you a lemon every now and then - from friends - while some conti cars are without issues for years.

So luck plays a part and we can only take good care of our rides.

Here's a theory from me - conti aren't exactly made for our climate hence

I chose white (reflect some heat),
do up decent solar films
avoid long hours under hot sun IF possible.

And service regularly.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:14 am

Hopefully Japanese will be better for me. I've just traded in my 14 month old 3008 for a 17 month old Kizashi. Topped up 5K. 13,000 km on the clock, slightly less than my 3008.

The 3008 has been a comfortable car esp when I drove it up to Ipoh. But the daily drive listening to all the different squeaks and rattles I just couldn't tahan. For a small premium I hope I will be happier with the Suzuki. It was the Champion Motors management car.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:27 am

Oh no Doc...we miss your contribution. silent
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:30 am

Well I tend to stay around in the car forums I have joined. Am still active in the Renault forum even though I sold my Clio in 2003. It was better built than my Pug by the way. Kept that for nearly 5 yrs.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:44 am

From 3008 SUV to a Sedan? Should had changed to a 508 and stay here Laughing

Before I embark on 508 I had test driven Kizashi 2 times, didn't pull trigger. Price too close to Camry and probably more expensive than 508.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Sun Sep 09, 2012 9:54 am

Ah, but it was only $5k extra this way so it seemed okay to me. I wouldn't get the 508 after my experience with the 3008... that sounds very strong but its not meant to. I did enjoy the 3008 when it wasn't annoying me. And Anthony, the SA, made a world of difference in the service experience from my previous SAs.
The specs on the Suzie are better than the 3008 too. I'm sure the 508 is an excellent ride if it doesn't suffer from the rattles...
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:22 am

From what I feel, Peugeot is not good in SUV and MPV which are more for USA and some Asian market. The Europeans are particularly good in Wagons. So the complains mainly comes from 3008 and 5008.

Sedans, Wagons, Cabrio seems quite OK.

Kizashi is a Jap Sedan with European features like memory seats, etc...
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Sun Sep 09, 2012 10:37 am

Ventus wrote:
Noted all the points. From mindset to reality.

Wokay here's my main issues with my 5008....Wind noise and internal squeking sounds...we can still live Dwith the rest of the issues (even if we still find them irritating)...

Be it French or japs, full or mid-size mpv, there must be a standard to uphold. For my wife and I, wind noise fr the window, at speeds starting from 85km/h and squeks in the car from the seats is sub standard of a conti...

I bought my ODC @ $99K (New) in Oct 2007 (lwith $10K + COE - I think).
I bought my 5008 (New) @ $150K ++ with $60K + COE.

Had my ODC for close to 5 yrs with no QUALITY issues...
Had my 5008 for less than a month, wind noise and squeks all around...

So tell me is this mindset or reality...Haiz...

Sorry lah peeps...no offence to anyone but I just hv to air it out...Hope some kakis can provide us with solutions so that I can enjoy my ride...coz I've sentt to AF and IT'S NOT HELPING @ ALL!!!!
Ventus now I know what is like on the squeaking sound.i can hear from mind too. ESP when turn left while crossing a hump. If am not wrong te sound are generate from the hollow of either the door or our seat belt bar area. If u press the those plastic area will know what I mean. They are not fully seated. So I believe when the car turns, there body of the car will twist this making such noise.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Sun Sep 09, 2012 11:37 am

Ventus: Insist on using Anthony as your SA.
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