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PostSubject: Why Peugeot?   Tue Sep 04, 2012 5:52 pm

Hi members,

Start this nonsense thread just to find out why WE ended up getting a Peugeot?

Let me start the ball rolling:

- like the power of the GTi (200hp, 275nm torque)
- 5 dooors (family oriented)
- comfort ride for a hot hatch (personally don't like hard suspension, no good for daily drive)
- one of the cheapest brand new GTi/ GTI in the market
- unique styling (subjective to individual tho)
- 6-speed manual!
- want to be different, while people getting VW, type-r, euro r.... My ride is much more exclusive IMO.

HOW ABOUT YOU GUYS?
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Wed Sep 05, 2012 1:28 am

7 years ago before I got my Honda Stream, actually I would like to own an Peugeot 307sw (the 7 seater). That time, Honda is 88k and Peugeot is 100k+. And I was drawn by Honda K20A engine...

Half year ago (after CNY), started to scout around for new ride and it is the right time to get a European car (not worth to get Japan car at that COE). VW is my first choice, actually I like Passat, but too expensive. Then my twin babies just arrived, so I should get an MPV instead.

VW strikes out, because I feel like a doggy sitting at the 3rd row... too little leg room at the 3rd row. Citroen also out because share the same problem with VW.

End up in Peugeot showroom, and 3rd row still comfortable (but Honda Stream is much generous for 3rd row leg room). I was impressed by:
1) The Prince engine (Mini Cooper)! 156hp and 240Nm on a 1.6L engine?!
2) Comfort drive better than Stream
3) All those features Japan car don't have (rain sensor, auto light, ...)
4) Quite cabin, hardly hear other car noise
5) 3 individual seat at 2nd row, can put 2 babies car seat + my wife
6) It is an Peugeot, my friend always rave about it!
7) I like Taxi (the France original movies)

Sorry... too "long air" (lengthy words).
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:31 am

Previously, I owned 2 manual korean rides, both did their jobs faithfully without hiccups. With the coming of my new-born prince, attention was placed on enhanced road handling and noise insulation, both of which were less optimal in both my korean rides. Why my 307?

1. Exterior & interior appeals; &
2. Reasonably affordable price tag for resale conti; &
3. Road handling & insulation meet expectations; &
4. Preference for hatchbacks (actually) & like the lion logos; &
5. Driven my ex-colleague's Pug and that sort of influenced me

Contemplated a Focus, Golf & Jetta, unfortunately the sales persons' attitude were.....no further comments. The Focus sales person even commented 'Why you like a Focus when hardly anyone is buying it?"

I enjoy my Pug, even more after I had all four absorbers replaced yesterday. Cheers.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Wed Sep 05, 2012 3:52 am

Oh..I probably have a very different reason to try a Peugeot 508.

Back in 2003, I had gotten a used Citroen C5 2L auto, just 2 year old with 44,000km on the odo. I own it for 10 months and it was a nightmare. I swear never to touch a French car.

But then one of my good SE came to join AF. So I support him since he was new. Then why 508 ?

Firstly I have no interest in MPV or SUV due to their handling and performance. So it would be either 308 or 508. After studying their chassis and engine/transmission, I thought 508 has a newer chassis and also a totally new model. The price and a test drive won me over.

I also wanted a Sedan with good rear leg room and a brand that is not too loud and at the same time respectable. Price wise, it is cheaper than a Camry or Accord.

The funny thing is whenever I visit my regular mechanic/tyre shop and spray paint shop, the first question they ask me will be " Why you buy this car?".

The next thing they will say is " You will regret after 3 years !" Surprised
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Wed Sep 05, 2012 5:28 pm

I hv already regretted buying my 5008 within my 1stmonth....and it's entirely new... furious
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Wed Sep 05, 2012 10:14 pm

Ventus wrote:
I hv already regretted buying my 5008 within my 1stmonth....and it's entirely new... furious

it cant be that bad la... the 5008 is so much better a drive than my family's previous Lafesta.. now that was just uncomparable
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:47 am

Ventus wrote:
I hv already regretted buying my 5008 within my 1stmonth....and it's entirely new... furious

Reading some of your post saying you like that car the more you drive it, also saying its nice to see more pugs on the road and of coz you also said that you can't wait to part with the car just barely 2 months.... And now you regretted buying it...

To sum up, you have a love and hate feeling for Peugeot Laughing

You must be buy on impulse when you were in Peugeot showroom or perhaps the SE is pressuring you to purchase the car or you kena SE spell Razz

Try think of the good thing that make you buy, you shall feel better, to be fair, I have driven so many cars in the pass, I never regret buying any of it, reason being, the car that I own at that point of time is the best I could afford and I like the most!

I can't say my current Peugeot GTi is superb but I am happy about it, yes it might be noisier than my previous ride, more squeezing sound here and there but hey, I am getting it for the power, for the look and for the rarity, I am loving it!
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:57 am

I actually like the 508. Easy to drive and I can't put into words the nice to drive factor. Generally I am not too fussy over small flaws.

But I really dislike the AF service attitude. thdown
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 3:58 am

Ventus wrote:
I hv already regretted buying my 5008 within my 1stmonth....and it's entirely new... furious

If you never try you never know right? smile2
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:00 am

i still feel that the 5008 has more character and drives far better than any Japanese MPV in the same class (think Wish, Stream etc). perhaps the bells and whistles we get are not as good as a high specced Jap MPV but the Touran isn't equipped far better anyway. the GC4P has plenty of goodies but well, it's too avantgarde for us i guess haha?
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:31 am

Allow me to explain why I regretted buying 5008 over my previous ride, odyssey.

My kids keep complaining of the following for 5008 in comparison with our previous ODC.

1. Warm 3rd row (ODC has 3rd row AC). And only knew tht our 5008 is using single coil AC even for the 2nd row AC blower after buying the car told by the service centre.
2. Uncomfortable seats n sitting position for the 3rd row. Not as roomy n cimfortable as our ODC.
3. Squeking sound frm the 3rd row seats. Very irritating esp coming frm our 1st conti Cannot settle even after AF seen it. Never had this problem with ODC.
4. Diff folding of the 2nd row seat to enter the 3rd row. Need a lot of strength for kids. No issue with ODC.

My wife n I also not satisfied with the abv n the following :

5. Terrible wind noise whn driving abv 85km/h. Had no issue with my ODC whn driving even @ 180km/h @ nshw.
6.Storage areas all @ the wrong place. Tot it was ok to get use to whn we bought it but the inconvenience is unbearable after driving for only 1 week esp for cup holding etc.
7. Super loud sound frm under the bonnet frm the exterior. Can be heard frm a distance. No issue with my odc. Odc was silence inside out until I dont even notice the engine was on.
8.Manual seat adjustment. Not auto seat adjustment like our ODC. Paid so much but manual. Tot I'm ok with manual but after thinking of the price paid. Hiaz.
9. Quality of DVD headrest - not chosen n fixed properly by AF. There's consistant tickling sound when travelling. Paid $700 (1/2 the cost) n AF paid the other half. Whn I asked around audio shop the Nevox headrest unit only cost abt $400. Hond gave us a $1000 unit of Alpine DVD player with screen. No issues.


Wht we like abt 5008...

Drivability
Comfort but with the squeking sound n unbearable wind noise it becomes discomfort.
Moonroof
HUD
6 airbags

Our verdict :

Japs still built better MPVs in terms of ergonomics n features of the MPV interior. Well tot of. Will definitely go back to Japs for MPV unless another conti built a better one.
Conti still has an edge for drivability but French quality is questionable.

I thought I'm the only one who wants to change back to Japs but my wife pop this question after owning the car for 3 weeks, "When can we change this car?". My kids said this, "We miss our ODC."

Haiz...
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:35 am

Yup i love the car the more i drove it. Yes I like the drivability of the pug n love seeing more lioms on the roas. Tht was during the 1st week of ownership b4 all problems arise...

Haha...yes, u'll never knew until u try it.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:49 am

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2. Uncomfortable seats n sitting position for the 3rd row. Not as roomy n cimfortable as our ODC.
4. Diff folding of the 2nd row seat to enter the 3rd row. Need a lot of strength for kids. No issue with ODC.
5. Terrible wind noise whn driving abv 85km/h. Had no issue with my ODC whn driving even @ 180km/h @ nshw.
7. Super loud sound frm under the bonnet frm the exterior. Can be heard frm a distance. No issue with my odc. Odc was silence inside out until I dont even notice the engine was on.


bro ventus.. cannot compare ODC which is a full-size MPV with 5008 which is a compact MPV.. hahaha 5008 should be compared with stream or wish.. compare back to those 2 models both wish and stream dont have rear ac vents i believe. haha

it's not particularly difficult to fold the rear seats up, just pull on the catch below the headrest, the bottom flips up and slide the seat forward! more room for passengers to enter the last row compared to my previous ride (nissan lafesta)

like i said, maybe your car has insulation problem cos i drive at 100-110 without any wind noise problem leh.. strange. the super loud sound under the bonnet is caused by the aircon.. but the interior is quite silent so not much of a prob for me. dont forget our rides have turbo engine as well so there has to be additional cooling for the hot turbocharger so that it works better..

perhaps the earlier batches of 5008 got better QC bah.. this one really not sure liao. haha
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:56 am

Ya lah... Maybe mine this missed out during QC.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:56 am

for me, why we ended up with the 5008 is quite a strange but true story..

we were on holiday in the UK in 2010 and rented a car from AVIS. originally got a BMW 320d stationwagon with manual gearbox but my parents felt unconfident with driving a manual (esp after driving an auto car for so long).. turns out the 5008 was the last car left in the rental car lot with an auto.. so ended up having a 5008 with the 110HDi, 6sp EGS option as our ride for 2 weeks. fantastic drive, consistently 16-17km/l (diesel car mah!). thus beginning our love affair with this french automobile.

apparently my dad loved the car so much that when it was launched in SG he immediately went to book it. no test drive, no nothing. haha. have enjoyed driving it ever since (its been 1.5 years already) and of cos with every car there are some faults or problems that appear once in a while
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:52 am

Ventus wrote:
Ya lah... Maybe mine this missed out during QC.

Perhaps it's along the production pipeline right after a long public holiday? Very Happy cheers.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:04 am

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Ventus wrote:
Ya lah... Maybe mine this missed out during QC.

Perhaps it's along the production pipeline right after a long public holiday? Very Happy cheers.

Produced in the midst of the French workers' post-holiday blues? On the other flip, does this suggest the competency of the AF workshop? confused

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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:09 am

Could be as well. Can't solve such matters is definitely incompetency of AF. I hope if there r AF staff here, pls feedback.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:06 am

Ventus wrote:
Allow me to explain why I regretted buying 5008 over my previous ride, odyssey.

My kids keep complaining of the following for 5008 in comparison with our previous ODC.

1. Warm 3rd row (ODC has 3rd row AC). And only knew tht our 5008 is using single coil AC even for the 2nd row AC blower after buying the car told by the service centre.
2. Uncomfortable seats n sitting position for the 3rd row. Not as roomy n cimfortable as our ODC.
3. Squeking sound frm the 3rd row seats. Very irritating esp coming frm our 1st conti Cannot settle even after AF seen it. Never had this problem with ODC.
4. Diff folding of the 2nd row seat to enter the 3rd row. Need a lot of strength for kids. No issue with ODC.

My wife n I also not satisfied with the abv n the following :

5. Terrible wind noise whn driving abv 85km/h. Had no issue with my ODC whn driving even @ 180km/h @ nshw.
6.Storage areas all @ the wrong place. Tot it was ok to get use to whn we bought it but the inconvenience is unbearable after driving for only 1 week esp for cup holding etc.
7. Super loud sound frm under the bonnet frm the exterior. Can be heard frm a distance. No issue with my odc. Odc was silence inside out until I dont even notice the engine was on.
8.Manual seat adjustment. Not auto seat adjustment like our ODC. Paid so much but manual. Tot I'm ok with manual but after thinking of the price paid. Hiaz.
9. Quality of DVD headrest - not chosen n fixed properly by AF. There's consistant tickling sound when travelling. Paid $700 (1/2 the cost) n AF paid the other half. Whn I asked around audio shop the Nevox headrest unit only cost abt $400. Hond gave us a $1000 unit of Alpine DVD player with screen. No issues.


Wht we like abt 5008...

Drivability
Comfort but with the squeking sound n unbearable wind noise it becomes discomfort.
Moonroof
HUD
6 airbags

Our verdict :

Japs still built better MPVs in terms of ergonomics n features of the MPV interior. Well tot of. Will definitely go back to Japs for MPV unless another conti built a better one.
Conti still has an edge for drivability but French quality is questionable.

I thought I'm the only one who wants to change back to Japs but my wife pop this question after owning the car for 3 weeks, "When can we change this car?". My kids said this, "We miss our ODC."

Haiz...

bro Ventus,

i find the sound proofing not as bad as you described. Even my wife did a horn on the front car, she was taken by surprise by the amount of sound being blocked out. We have stock horn in Civic but we can hear quite vivid from the cabin.

what i cannot stand now is the reverse sensor sound. is awesomely mega super duper high pitch loud. pity my kids behind.. hahaha
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:25 am

Hi Stormshadow,

Is your reverse sensor original factory fit or locally done?

The radio will lower the volume to let driver hear the reverse beep when "R" is selected.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:30 am

The soundproofing of the car is definitely gd but wind noise still comes from the window n door. Do check ur 5008 at speed abv 90km/h. It's an apparent wind noise frm the window n door. Off ur radio n observe. Apparently, it's the same review online.

Maybe, I've experience luxury silence in my odyssey n this wind noise in 5008 is a sub standard. I don't remember having this problem in my previous 2 rides, Wish.

Sadly, the 5008 has the same wind noise as my Hyundai Matrix I had more thn 6 yrs ago. Haiz...
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:30 am

Hi Ventus,

Noted all your points. Honda Ody (current price $190k ?) is a much bigger MPV and I think you should have known when you test drove 5008 (currently $140k?) which is equivalent to Stream/Toyota Wish class. The price already tells the story. But this 1.6THP give you more low torque than 2.4 Ody.

As to the Peugeot quality, it is a matter of expectation Jap vs Euro. You are comparing the no 2 car maker of Japan vs the no.2 or No 3 of Western Europe car maker (from buttom up). If you were to refer to JD power for reliability most Japanese brands are in top 10. The bottom 10 is French and Italian makes.

Japanese cars are very practical cars meant for City driving with good Glove compartment size, door pockets, nice Aircon, Cup holders.....

European cars are more for out of city driving, country side hilly roads for the French home ground. They don't need Aircon most of the time and do not encourage drinking and food consumption in the car. Most German top brands do not have cup holders too.

Japanese car aircon setting is 25C to get nice cool air. In Conti cars you need to set 22C to 19C to get nice cool air depending on which brand of car.

Your complain about wind noise, that is really un-acceptable. I think you should get AF to see to it.

Mindset have to change when changing from Japanese to European cars. So is expectations. If your annual mileage is not high, you will enjoy European cars. If you stick on to European cars for 3 years, you probably won't go back to Japanese.

I am not defending Peugeot in any way. Just a fair observation as this is my 1st Peugeot Very Happy

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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:43 am

Blue850r wrote:
Hi Stormshadow,

Is your reverse sensor original factory fit or locally done?

The radio will lower the volume to let driver hear the reverse beep when "R" is selected.

not sure is orginal factory fit or locally done. when i collected the car and tried the reverse gear got a shock too. so damm loud.

wondering can tape it up.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:45 am

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The soundproofing of the car is definitely gd but wind noise still comes from the window n door. Do check ur 5008 at speed abv 90km/h. It's an apparent wind noise frm the window n door. Off ur radio n observe. Apparently, it's the same review online.

Maybe, I've experience luxury silence in my odyssey n this wind noise in 5008 is a sub standard. I don't remember having this problem in my previous 2 rides, Wish.

Sadly, the 5008 has the same wind noise as my Hyundai Matrix I had more thn 6 yrs ago. Haiz...
ok bro. will update you. later i test.
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PostSubject: Re: Why Peugeot?   Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:46 am

If original reverse sensor, I think some graphics will show on the radio screen when "R" is selected. That's what I see in my 508.

From the way you mention about loud beep, it is likely to be aftermarket stuff.
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